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Erick Green (2009 verbal) recently played in the Reebok Summer Championships in Las Vegas. The tournament featured John Wall, #1 in the Class of 2009. In the quarterfinals, Erick helped lead Triple Threat to a victory with 18 points. This should silence some of his critics that say he faces only AA competition in the regular season.

In case you missed it, ESPN as part of their “Candyland” lifestyle developed Prestige Rankings for 300 Division I basketball programs over the last 24 seasons (since the NCAA Tournament expanded to 64 teams… later 65*).  It didn’t turn out well for Virginia Tech.  The O&M finished tied for #210.  Kick to the groin ouch!

The study used a points system based on things like NCAA Tournament appearances and wins, regular season and post-season conference titles, 20 or 30 win seasons, All-Americans, NIT appearances and titles, and NBA Draft picks (high picks).   You lose points for losing seasons or NCAA bans. 

The Hokies finished with negative points.  Here’s my best guess at their point total (ESPN didn’t share the actual number):

  • NCAA Tournament Appearances: 4 (’85, ’86, ’96, ’07) – 4 points
  • NCAA Tourney Wins: 2 (’96, ’07) – 6 points
  • NIT Appearances: 3 (’95, ’05, ’08) – 3 points
  • NIT Title: ’95 – 2 points
  • 20-29 win seasons: 6 (’85, ’86, ’95, ’96, ’07, ’08) – 6 points
  • AP 2nd-team All-American: Curry – 2 points
  • Losing seasons: 13 (Moir – 1, Allen – 3, Foster – 3, Hussey – 2, stokes – 3, Greenberg -1) – (-39 points)
  • I can’t remember if Tech got a NCAA Tournament ban in the late ’80s for Coach Allen’s efforts, but I believe they did, including a Metro Tournament ban in ’89.  So I won’t count this but that would be an additional -3.

Adds up to at least -16.  That’s, uh, not good.  That stinks.  I can’t blame stokes for all of it, but he sure didn’t help it.  Unfortunately, they don’t give points for “almosts” or “one-aways”, like almost made the Sweet 16 or one win from the ACC regular season title, etc.

Now that VT finally has a conference home (we hope), stability should help things. If you think about it, the Hokies have been in four conferences during this study: Metro (start of study to ’95), A-10 (’95-’00), Big East (’00-’04), and then the ACC. That certainly didn’t help things (nor did ricky stokes).

Only seven “BCS” schools are lower and VT is dead last in the ACC, 65 points behind miami. northwestern is the worst of the BCS schools. south florida is also in there, a former stopping point of Seth.

Since Seth arrived, the Hokies are +5 in his five seasons and +7 in the last two years!  So things are looking up (finally) and maybe VT can get in the black soon.

*Niemo’s Random Rant: Can someone explain why they went to 65?  Makes no sense.  68?  Maybe… then there’s a feeder for each #1 seed.  Or 72.  But 65???  I think the same guy (or girl) that decided on this is the same person that invented “half the distance to the goal line” in football.  Seriously, I’m going to commit a penalty, but the refs are only going to enforce half of it since the other team is close to scoring on us… so it is OK to cheat when you are up against the wall.  Can you imagine if the judicial system was this way?  Well, he should get 10 years for murder, but he’s only going to live another 10 so we’ll just have him serve 5.  Sweet.

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Niemo is a member of the VT Class of '98. Graduated as a Commonwealth Scholar from the Pamplin School of Business. Majored in Management Science & Information Technology. Attended every home basketball game during his 4 years at VT after missing the first home game. Has attended 103 straight VT football home games (every game since '94), with #100 was the miami game this past September. During the final home basketball game of his senior year, he was brought onto the court and was awarded 2 passes to the Atlantic 10 Basketball Tournament in Philly during a timeout. The Hokie Bird made the award on behalf of Athletic Director Jim Weaver. Niemo was known to be in the front row of every home game with his familiar red afro hairdo. Niemo currently lives in NOVA and speaks the Hokie gospel as often as possible.

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4 Responses to “The Weekend Warrior | News and Notes”

  1. pmckenne says:

    Coach Stokes was just the cherry on top of the crap sundae that was VT hoops.

    Most of the blame for our decline has to lay with Coach Foster as well as Dave Braine for keeping Bobby Hussey as a coach. After our NCAA season in 1996 Foster pretty much started his retirement tour.

    Foster’s last season was a complete joke, he got rocking chairs at every away game as a bon voyage gift. Hussey had no control of the players and then when he was done screwing up the program Jim Weaver hires a Wahoo!!! Are you freaking kidding me?!?! Rickey Stoke is one of the nicest people in the world but he is possible one of the worst coaches in history. He has taken two mediocre programs, VT & ECU, and made them embarrassing, now that’s talent

    I don’t have the graduation numbers in front of me but I know that more players were expelled than graduated. But JW has redeemed himself with the Seth G hire. I was not pleased at first with the hire but obviously it has worked out and I think Seth wants to build something at VT like Beamer did.

    Rant over, Mondays suck.

  2. Niemo says:

    You are right, I did take it easy on Hussey because a) he was only there 2 years, b) he has passed on.

    But you are right, my friends that played for him had a lot of concerns. They said the coaches didn’t really “coach”, but just yelled that they screwed up without explaining what they should have done.

    stokes is fresher in my mind and watching him in timeouts was like watching me try to tell a brain surgeon what to do… he had no idea what to do and usually just stood around, often outside the huddle. Nice guy or not, he is not a head coach.

  3. pmckenne says:

    I would compare Rickey Stokes coaching and recruiting to style to a monkey humping a football.

    Some of the stories that I have heard about the players under both Stokes and Hussey are unbelievable. One story that sticks out involves tanking a game in the 2H of the A-10 tournament because some of the players had plane reservations for spring break the following day and if they won they wouldn’t get to go.

    A filthy time in our history for sure.

  4. pmckenne says:

    damn double post. I edit the 1st one and correct all the missspellings.

    On another note who is going to Puerto Rico for the tip off. I booked my plane tickets 2 months ago. ADV will some off the plane bombing 3s. cant wait

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