Comments on: Recap | #5 duke 69 (12-1, 1-0), VT 44 (9-5, 0-1) http://techhoops.com/2009/01/04/recap-vt-5-duke/ The Home for Hardcore Virginia Tech Hokie Basketball Fans Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:06:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: goodraisin http://techhoops.com/2009/01/04/recap-vt-5-duke/comment-page-1/#comment-1794 goodraisin Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:35:57 +0000 http://www.techhoops.com/?p=1022#comment-1794 formercoach, I do not mean just from a scoring standpoint, although that's certainly part of it. In 25 minutes Hudson had one rebound, one assist, one steal, and one turnover. That tells me he isn't really a part of the offense and when you watch the game against Duke, you see it is true. It also tells me that he might be a decent defender, but he can't create turnovers (and he really hasn't all season if you look at his stats). He's no Jamon Gordon or Zabian Dowdell on the defensive end. On offense, he just cannot get seperation from the opponent's defenders, and when he does, he misses at an incredible rate. Sure, he only takes 4 shots a game, but that's because he can't possibly take any more than that without putting up an ill-advised shot. I need to see more out of him on the offensive end meaning that he needs to contribute more to the offensive play rather than just throwing the ball back to the PG after he receives it on the wing. It seems like the only time that he knows how to move without the ball is on the one play per game where he does that backdoor cut and gets an easy layup from Allen. Bell had 3 turnovers in 11 minutes and only pulled down one rebound, had no assists and no points and no steals and no blocks. What was he doing all game? I don't recall his defense being anything to focus on during that Duke game... in fact I seem to remember him getting burned a couple times by Henderson. He's playing far too timidly on offense and I keep waiting for that to change and it just doesn't. I applaud you in trying to find the silver lining in the way Hudson and Bell have played up to this point this season, but I completely disagree that they have done anything special on either end of the floor. formercoach, I do not mean just from a scoring standpoint, although that’s certainly part of it. In 25 minutes Hudson had one rebound, one assist, one steal, and one turnover. That tells me he isn’t really a part of the offense and when you watch the game against Duke, you see it is true. It also tells me that he might be a decent defender, but he can’t create turnovers (and he really hasn’t all season if you look at his stats). He’s no Jamon Gordon or Zabian Dowdell on the defensive end. On offense, he just cannot get seperation from the opponent’s defenders, and when he does, he misses at an incredible rate. Sure, he only takes 4 shots a game, but that’s because he can’t possibly take any more than that without putting up an ill-advised shot. I need to see more out of him on the offensive end meaning that he needs to contribute more to the offensive play rather than just throwing the ball back to the PG after he receives it on the wing. It seems like the only time that he knows how to move without the ball is on the one play per game where he does that backdoor cut and gets an easy layup from Allen.

Bell had 3 turnovers in 11 minutes and only pulled down one rebound, had no assists and no points and no steals and no blocks. What was he doing all game? I don’t recall his defense being anything to focus on during that Duke game… in fact I seem to remember him getting burned a couple times by Henderson. He’s playing far too timidly on offense and I keep waiting for that to change and it just doesn’t. I applaud you in trying to find the silver lining in the way Hudson and Bell have played up to this point this season, but I completely disagree that they have done anything special on either end of the floor.

]]> By: formercoach http://techhoops.com/2009/01/04/recap-vt-5-duke/comment-page-1/#comment-1791 formercoach Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:24:43 +0000 http://www.techhoops.com/?p=1022#comment-1791 goodraisin when you say they were non-factors do you mean from a scoring standpoint. When I watched the game I thought they both at least attempted to play defense. Other than Cheik and JT I don't believe I can say the same. In the second half when hudson left the game they were only down by eight. Duke went on a 14-2 run when hudson left the game. I don't recall Henderson or Scheyer scoring the way they did when either of those 2 were on the floor. These guys are not a part of the game on the offensive end because they are not getting shots. Granted Hudson was 0 for 4 but they were good shots, no one was making shots at the beginning of that game. The big 3 were a combined 0 for 16 before any of them made a shot. Delaney finally made a shot after his fifth or sixth attempt. Based on the number of shot attempts these guys get in a game they will always have low shooting percentages. They are being asked to basically run the offense and get what is kicked out to them when the "Big 3" gets in trouble. If Delaney and Vassallo only shot the ball 3 or 4 times a game I can guarantee you their shooting percentage would be in the cellar. Another reason why we can't score is we don't get transition baskets. We only got one on a dunk. I hate this offense, you have these great athletes and they just stand around passing the ball to three people so that they can get jumpshots. Press, Run will ramp up the intensity. By the way our starting point guard can't go through an entire game and not have any assist. And it isn't because people were missing shots. The game changes when Thorns is playing. If he could guard somebody he would be a good player in the ACC. goodraisin when you say they were non-factors do you mean from a scoring standpoint. When I watched the game I thought they both at least attempted to play defense. Other than Cheik and JT I don’t believe I can say the same. In the second half when hudson left the game they were only down by eight. Duke went on a 14-2 run when hudson left the game. I don’t recall Henderson or Scheyer scoring the way they did when either of those 2 were on the floor. These guys are not a part of the game on the offensive end because they are not getting shots. Granted Hudson was 0 for 4 but they were good shots, no one was making shots at the beginning of that game. The big 3 were a combined 0 for 16 before any of them made a shot. Delaney finally made a shot after his fifth or sixth attempt. Based on the number of shot attempts these guys get in a game they will always have low shooting percentages. They are being asked to basically run the offense and get what is kicked out to them when the “Big 3″ gets in trouble. If Delaney and Vassallo only shot the ball 3 or 4 times a game I can guarantee you their shooting percentage would be in the cellar.
Another reason why we can’t score is we don’t get transition baskets. We only got one on a dunk. I hate this offense, you have these great athletes and they just stand around passing the ball to three people so that they can get jumpshots. Press, Run will ramp up the intensity. By the way our starting point guard can’t go through an entire game and not have any assist. And it isn’t because people were missing shots. The game changes when Thorns is playing. If he could guard somebody he would be a good player in the ACC.

]]> By: goodraisin http://techhoops.com/2009/01/04/recap-vt-5-duke/comment-page-1/#comment-1790 goodraisin Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:26:27 +0000 http://www.techhoops.com/?p=1022#comment-1790 The first four minutes and the last sixteen minutes of that game constituted the worst 20 minutes of basketball I have ever seen... at least on the offensive end. I know the Hokies can still compete in the ACC, but it sure feels unlikely. This team just doesn't look the same as it did last year... I never thought we would miss Deron Washington this much, but it sure seems that is the case. Hudson and Bell were complete non-factors in this game, and JT Thompson still needs a bunch more practice time to get back to where he was at the end of last season. I am not saying that I am packing it up as a Hokie fan for this season, but I'm definitely saying that I'm extremely skeptical that we do any better than making the NIT. The first four minutes and the last sixteen minutes of that game constituted the worst 20 minutes of basketball I have ever seen… at least on the offensive end. I know the Hokies can still compete in the ACC, but it sure feels unlikely. This team just doesn’t look the same as it did last year… I never thought we would miss Deron Washington this much, but it sure seems that is the case. Hudson and Bell were complete non-factors in this game, and JT Thompson still needs a bunch more practice time to get back to where he was at the end of last season. I am not saying that I am packing it up as a Hokie fan for this season, but I’m definitely saying that I’m extremely skeptical that we do any better than making the NIT.

]]> By: DuffHokie http://techhoops.com/2009/01/04/recap-vt-5-duke/comment-page-1/#comment-1789 DuffHokie Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:34:27 +0000 http://www.techhoops.com/?p=1022#comment-1789 I agree with John. They looked like they quit. The team seemed confused and didn't know what was going on. Duke was still nailing 3's and were wide open down the stretch. To fight back and be within 4 points and then let that happen just shows these guys aren't ready and don't have the heart to fight and win. Hopefully this isn't going to be an ongoing battle. I agree with John. They looked like they quit. The team seemed confused and didn’t know what was going on. Duke was still nailing 3’s and were wide open down the stretch.

To fight back and be within 4 points and then let that happen just shows these guys aren’t ready and don’t have the heart to fight and win. Hopefully this isn’t going to be an ongoing battle.

]]> By: John http://techhoops.com/2009/01/04/recap-vt-5-duke/comment-page-1/#comment-1788 John Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:10:41 +0000 http://www.techhoops.com/?p=1022#comment-1788 Yeah, hopefully they can put this one behind them similar to the UNC game last year and go on a run. I'd say they quit. I watched the game with 2 people that usually don't watch VT hoops and I got many comments on our lack of heart, particularly with A.D. We can bounce back, and will see if we actually do. Yeah, hopefully they can put this one behind them similar to the UNC game last year and go on a run.

I’d say they quit. I watched the game with 2 people that usually don’t watch VT hoops and I got many comments on our lack of heart, particularly with A.D. We can bounce back, and will see if we actually do.

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