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Deja Vu | Recap | uva 61 (4-8, 13-13), VT 54 (7-5, 17-8) | 2.19.11

Give the hoos credit.  They had to do two things to win this game:

  1. Knock the bottom out of the net from 3-point range.  (They hit 11/23, including 8 of their first 12 to build up a 15-point lead at 44-29 early in the second half.)
  2. Figure out a way to counter the Hokies’ advantage inside.  (They doubled down on Davila and Allen every time they touched it, which was rare, and this led to just 16 combined points for Allen and Davila.)

I felt so good about this game until I woke up Saturday morning and saw that the good people in Las Vegas had us at just a 5.5 point favorite.  That reminded me of how tough it is to win on the road in this league.  The hoos were ready and just burned the Hokies from deep.

I don’t want to say a team was lucky, but the hoos were lucky.  Sammy Zeglinski hit 3 3-pointers with less than 5 seconds left on the shot clock.  Jontel Evans (who I said couldn’t shoot in the preview) hit 2 miraculous jumpers.  Assane Sene (a 7-footer who honest to goodness I hadn’t seen dunk all year) had 7 points and 2 dunks.

I also was drinking a French beer (Kronenbourg 1664 — which is pretty good!) during the game.  Could I have jinxed us more?  But that shouldn’t matter.  Hats off to the hoos.  They outplayed us and swept us for the first time since 2005-06 when they beat us THREE times.  Is it me or are the hoos the 2006-07 nc state team?  A terrible team that beat us three times that year.  Let’s hope, if somehow the Hokies do play uva in the ACC Tournament, this doesn’t turn into a 3-peat.

The Hokies did make a game of it.  After trailing 28-23 at the break, uva came out bombing 3s to go up 44-29.  But then the Hokies went to a full court trap and closed the gap to 45-42 with a 13-1 run with 7:46 to go.  VT immediately forced a turnover that led to a 3-point play by Erick Green and several other turnovers and 3-pointers by Delaney fueled the rally. But then the hoos started hitting shots again, and Tech started forcing things and missing open looks (like a missed 3 by Delaney and missed front end of a 1-and-1 by Delaney) and the hoos retook control.

Malcolm Delaney finished with 22, but 6 of those were garbage 3-pointers.  However, he was the only Hokie to show up offensively today (and that’s not saying much since he was 6/19 from the floor and 4/12 from 3-point range when the game matter– he was 2/3 from deep late).

The supporting cast was terrible tonight.   Jeff Allen was 5/9 from the floor and scored 11 points… but why did he only shoot 9 shots against at team that only has one low post player?  Erick Green was 5/11 and had 12 points… but most of that was thanks to the press.  And Bell and Davila SUCKED today.  They combined for 1 point on 1 shot in the first half, and totaled just 9 points for the game (Bell was 0/2 from the floor after going 5/5 from deep on Tuesday).

For the hoos, it was their 3-point shooting that won the game on offense.  They are the best 3-point shooting team in ACC play and they torched VT from deep tonight.  Farrakhan hit 3 3s (despite missing the final 10 minutes of the first half with 3 fouls and part of the second half with and injury, Harris hit 4/7 from deep to carry the hoos, and Zeglinski hit those 3 3s he pulled out of his rear end to dagger the Hokies.

This loss really stings.  It stings because it was the hoos.  It stings because the Hokies could have really taken command of their ACC Tournament First Round bye.  It stings because it was the hoos (wait, I said that).  But all is not lost.  Assuming bc loses at unc today, the Hokies will still be a game up in 4th place with a trip to 1-11 wake forest looming.  Tech can still finish strong.  Rinse this game… days like this happen… and move on to Tuesday.  Don’t let this game beat you twice.  The Hokies need to Bear Fight pound the deacons on Tuesday and then get ready for three HUGE games to finish – duke, bc (a contender for 4th) and at clemson (a contender for 4th).

Of note: Jeff Allen extended his double-double streak to 7 straight games with 11 points and 15 rebounds, but I think we can all agree this game was a disappointment considering he had a 6’6″ guard guarding him that couldn’t arm-curl Tattoo… maybe I jinxed him, too. (I don’t believe that for a second.)

Random note: uva is 3-0 against the T/techs of the ACC this year, 1-8 against the rest of the ACC.

FIRST HALF (uva 28, VT 23):

The first half was extremely frustrating to watch as a Hokie fan.  Tech committed 8 turnovers in the first 10 minutes (3 each by Bell and Davila).  The Hokies cleaned that up and didn’t turn the ball over in the final 10 minutes.  But then the hoos looked like they were playing a game of horse, hitting wild shot after wild shot.  Zeglinski hit a 3-pointer as the shot clock expired that he basically shot off the side of his shoulder.  Jontel Evans hit a 3-pointer (trust me, that’s news in and of itself – it was just his 5th of the season) and then hit a fadeaway just before the half over Davila to give the hoos a 28-23 halftime lead.  Believe it or not, this was actually a lot better than the game in Blacksburg in early December where the hoos led by 12 at the break.

The real story for the hoos was Joe Harris.  The freshman sharpshooter knocked 3 3-pointers and had 9 at the break.  Tech did not do a good job of staying on him, which you have to do against a 3-point shooting team.  The hoos were 6/10 from behind the arc for the half.  And that was without their leading scorer, Mustapha Farrakhan, who was on the bench for the final 10 minutes of the half with 3 fouls.

Malcolm Delaney had 10 to lead the Hokies at the break while Jeff Allen tallied 7.  Erick Green had 5.  Davila and Bell combined for ONE shot and ONE point.  Atkins was the only guy to play off the bench and he didn’t score.

The big story was Tech’s poor decisions.  They rarely fed the ball inside despite the fact uva only plays one big man.  The hoos were doubling down, but that means someone should be wide open.  The Hokies weren’t finding that person.

Tech came out in man defense, which I expected, to counter uva’s 3-point ability.  But it was when they switched to the 2-3 zone that they really stymied the hoos.  That rattled them for a while until they simply couldn’t miss at the end of the half.

Both teams shot 45% from the field but it was uva’s 3-pointers that made the difference.

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Niemo is a member of the VT Class of '98. While not a professional journalist by any stretch, Niemo analyzes and breaks down every minute of Hokie hoop action. He also researches topics of interest such as Hokie recruits, program revenue, statistical data on the team, previews VT opponents, and discusses his favorite bourbons/Scotches. In addition to his passion for Hokie hoops, Niemo has attended 126 straight VT football home games (every game since '94), eclipsing the 100 mark in September of '09 and recently attended his 20th consecutive VT/uva game. During the final home basketball game of his senior year, he was brought onto the court and was awarded 2 passes to the Atlantic 10 Basketball Tournament in Philly during a timeout for being a "Super Fan" during his time at VT. The Hokie Bird made the award on behalf of Athletic Director Jim Weaver. Niemo was known to be in the front row of every home game with his familiar red afro hairdo.

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21 Responses to “Deja Vu | Recap | uva 61 (4-8, 13-13), VT 54 (7-5, 17-8) | 2.19.11”

  1. Ryan says:

    Been following this site for probably a year now, good stuff. That was tough to watch on many levels. The turnovers VT had in the first-half were very frustrating. UVA not only made a lot of 3 pointers but they also made ridiculous shots like you mentioned fading away or at the end of the shot clock. Of course that had to happen against VT. Not the end of the world but definitely puts more pressure on us heading into the home stretch. I think we are capable of playing with anyone in the country at times and other times i don’t know what to think. Just have to forget about this and move on. GO HOKIES!

  2. jtvthokie says:

    Sorry for the vent up front. Good coaches prevent losses like this. They don’t wait until 10 minutes left in the second half to press. They clear a side, post Allen against a smaller man and get him the ball on offense. Hell, you could have posted Atkins or Eddie and scored. What, Eddie didn’t play? Or Garland? Oh, and Manny was out there for 5 minutes. Hmmm. Perhaps you could have used them a bit earlier to try to speed up the game.
    I do understand that we play a mean 2-3 zone this year. And Bell is great in it. But today would have been a good day to play a 3-2 and perhaps take away all the 3 point attempts (even though they made some tough ones anyway). With the 2-3, we just let them run 30 seconds on every possession.
    While I agree that Bell and Davila were awful on the offensive end, to me Seth was worse.
    As a team, they had been playing great – and I actually have seen a lot of improvement in both the coaching and the player’s execution. But today was a travesty.

  3. Les says:

    Eddie may still be hurt. I believe he has a bad back. He hasn’t really played like a small forward since early in the season.

    Atkins came in when Bell picked up his 2nd foul in the first half. He lacks the quickness of Bell.

    They essentially double-teamed Allen and Delaney the whole game. Their big men stepped out on Delaney every time he was handed the ball. Evans got a way with a lot of fouls against Delaney to prevent the dribble-drives. He was blantant enough to throw a stiff arm against Delaney’s shoulder on one drive right in front of the ref. I think Delaney just about gave up on it after about 25 minutes of the same crap.

  4. FruitpietheMagician says:

    Well I took my family to this one – all 6 of them. Sat in row AA somewhere between the altosphere and stratosphere…what I could make out was that there were about 2500 Hokies there to support a team that should have won. This was embarrasing! Losing one to UVA in our house is hard to take, but a sweep only sets off a tyraid on ESPN section 140 and all those other sites about how we are “chokies”, or how Delaney is non-NBA worthy. I hate it. I can’t believe that we have had a super-star guy like Delaney, who I love to watch play, that could possibly not play one game in the NCAA Tournament over 4 years. I will say that UVA fans in the restaurants later were nice about it, but the loss ruined my pizza at Christians! So I can put this behind me, but I’ll have all my UVA buds bothering me for a year (at least until Football). I want VT to become a basketball powerhouse, but its tough to understand how they could score 102 then 91, and get only 54 tonight. Now I know how Maryland feels…

  5. Ed Kelley says:

    I agree that Seth got outcoached today. No adjustments for the doubleteams on Allen and Davila. And they should have been fouling the rebounder in the last minute instead of their guards. The defense was good enough to win. UVA just lucked out too many 3 pointers that they just threw up at the end of the shot clock. The offense was just terrible today. I thought VT was getting on a roll after the last few games . Now we have to win 3 of the last 4 to have a chance for NCAA.

  6. chrishokie says:

    Reminds me of last year when we seemed to have gotten it all together and then went to Boston College and got beaten by 20 points. We talk about all the adversity our team has faced this year. How about what UVA has gone through? How can we get swept by this team? Regardless of how the rest of UVAs season goes they can take solace in knowing they may have played a major role in keeping us out of the NCAA tournament for yet another year. Unbelievable!

  7. chuck says:

    These games are why Seth hasn’t made the leap yet…and why this club may be NIT bound 4 consecutive years…and that would be such a disapointment for a player of Delaney’s caliber and Allen, even…

    Seth seemed to be doing better game coaching this year, and coaching to our strengths or opponents weaknesses, whichever was larger…but he has been outcoached by Tony Bennett twice, who i hold in pretty high esteem…he’s the best coach UVA has had since early Jeff Jones (pre-scandal)…

    We are now in a position of having to win out and get to the ACC semis in order to breath easy…these UVA losses qualify as BAD losses in the eyes of the selection committee…and we have very few, if any good wins to counter…same old story.

    Big picture is i think Seth is the best salesman that VT has had at HC…but his game coaching has let us down too many times…more times than not he’s been out of timeouts too soon, and his best players in foul trouble too early (Allen you can’t help)…his offenses in the halfcourt are atrocious, and if we don’t score in transition we’re going to be playing to a low scoring, tension wrought game…

    This basketball team is the perfect complement to our frustrating football team…

  8. UptownsGreatest says:

    Greenberg’s coaching and minimal use of the bench is going to kill this team in the long run. There is no way they’re going to survive like this, especially when 2 of the 5 starters (who are playing 36-38 mpg) are not consistent scorers. He should of learned that earlier this season when he was using a similar rotation style by barely using the bench……and we wonder they have a hard time putting the ball in the hoop once they get in the game. CONFIDENCE IS BROUGHT ON BY MINUTES IN BASKETBALL, and the bench gets none.

  9. Duffhokie says:

    @Fruitpie. I too was there in row AA. 2nd to last row. Did you see the annoying douche bag in row Z with the headset on celebrating by waving his arms for every point by the hoo’s and every miss by the Hokies like it was a game winning shot in 3OT for the national title. I gave him crap for sitting in the rafters with public sale tickets if he’s that big of a fan.

    Like every one else has said. This one stings more than others. We sweep the terps but swept by the hoos. As niemo points out it is unacceptable that Bell and Davila To have a combined 1 shot in the first half. Davila’s poor hands this game were also a factor. He did so well catching the ball inside vs the terps.

    Not the end of the world. We still own them in football.

  10. King says:

    A lot of post season chatter…don’t even worry about it at this point…just worry about Wake.

    • Niemo says:

      King – EXACTLY. Take care of business Tuesday. duke who? That’s for Wednesday. One very small silver lining about the uva loss is you know we will be focused for wake now.

  11. Chris says:

    I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but it really is the same story, different year. When this team takes a step forward, they always find a way to take two steps back.

    Not having a bench is killing this team. There’s rumblings that Garland/Eddie were both sat yesterday AGAIN due to academic issues. Those two really need to get their act together because they’re both going to be pushed for playing time next season by Rankin and DFS (I actually think Rankin will pass Garland for backup PG and I think DFS will start).

    It’s a shame that there’s a very good chance Delaney and Allen will never play in the NCAA tourney. However, it’s hard for me to feel too bad. UVA has suffered there fair share of injuries this year as well but they found a way to sweep us, and they’re terrible. We basically need to win 3 out of 4 with one of the wins being against Duke to have a legitimate chance at dancing now… a pretty tall order. It sucks but it is what it is.

    I just hope that this basketball team’s luck will change sooner or later. If we’re not losing by halfcourt shots we’re losing two probable starters (Hudson and Chaney), the sixth man (Thompson), and a backup big (Raines) all due to injury in the same season. I’d like to see this team fully healthy next season more than anything else…

  12. FruitpietheMagician says:

    @Duff – yea I saw that guy! It was annoying, but there were plenty behind me in BB doing the same thing. oh well its Sunday, I have recovered and looking forward to clobbering Wake…and Duke…Go Hokies!

  13. Blue Collar Hokie says:

    Ziglinski (sp?) stepped out of bounds twice on one of his miracle 3s. Or so my bitter O&M vision says. Let the hoos have their fun, did this game get them to .500? Neato guys!

  14. Les says:

    Both Eddie and Garland out for academics. Eddie compounds out with a marijuana possession charge. I guess that frees up a scholarship for 2011. Garland would also walking a thin line here.

  15. Chris says:

    This may or may not be appropriate for me to post on here, but here’s why Eddie didn’t play yesterday… marijuana possession.

    Doesn’t that result in a one year suspension from VT? I think it’s safe to say DFS has passed him in the depth chart for next year…

  16. Goodraisin says:

    People have already touched on this, but playing the 2-3 zone against a team that is great at shooting 3-pointers (especially at home) is just STUPID. I realize now that Greenberg was probably concerned about depth since Jarell Eddie is an idiot and decided he couldn’t go without weed while playing basketball, but you just don’t play a 2-3 zone against a team that loves to shoot 3s… you never do it. You have Jontel Evans, whose only positive on offense is that he can drive into the teeth of the zone and kick out to an open shooter, and you have guys like Harris, Zeglinski, and Farrakahn who love to bomb from deep… sounds like the perfect way to kill a 2-3 zone right? Yeah I would think so too. Oh well… the game is still the same, we need to beat Duke.

  17. Goodraisin says:

    I should also add, for those who are disappointed with Seth, I think we need to remember that none of our current players (or Zabian Dowdell, or Deron Washington, or Jamon Gordon, or AD Vassallo) were very highly esteemed coming out of high school. Greenberg has been essentially over-achieving with the talent that he has recruited to this point. Next year’s class will be the deciding tale as to whether Greenberg is really a good coach. With 4 players who are top-100 level guys coming in, there’s no excuse to not be a top 25 team by the time they are Juniors and Seniors.

  18. jtvthokie says:

    Goodr – I like Seth. Very personable guy. Pretty good recruiter for now – although if you can’t make the dance in four tries with Delaney and Allen – why would anybody else come here? But I digress. Seth Can really teach defense and intensity. He knows as much about offense as Stynespring. And sometimes his game plans and in game adjustments are, well, worse than half the coaches in my youth league.
    In general I don’t like to rag on coaching (except where Niemo is concerned). I’m just really disappointed for Malcolm.
    And also – if players aren’t going to be allowed to play in a game – they shouldn’t dress.

  19. Goodraisin says:

    jtvthokie, that’s all well and good, and I completely agree that Greenberg seemed slow to react tactically for the UVA game, but you also need to acknowledge that there are lots of cases where he has made halftime and late 2nd half adjustments that have worked. I can think of at least 2 or 3 times this year that we have gone to a half-court 1-3-1 trap late in the game and that tactic helped us to win. As for Malcolm and Jeff Allen, I put the Hokies’ inability to make the NCAA tournament squarely on their shoulders… as good as they are, they just aren’t clutch. VT had chances to reach the NCAA tournament twice (in 08 and again in 09) if they could just beat UNC. That didn’t happen. If I had to guess how often Malcolm Delaney makes a game-winning shot, I’d have to say he’s maybe a 20% shooter in situations like that (and I think that’s being generous). I’m not talking about half-court heaves, I’m talking about having several seconds to get yourself open for a shot and to stroke it. Great players make those shots (and they don’t go 2-18 from the field). There are more problems with this team than Seth Greenberg’s 2nd half tactics.

    • Niemo says:

      Raisin – to your point, and perhaps JT’s, Greenberg’s halftime adjustments that have worked have been on the defensive end, not the offensive. And I agree he won two games with defensive adjustments (okie state and st bonnie).


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