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Peat and Repeat | Recap | clemson (9-7) 69, VT (9-7) 60

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If you saw Tuesday night’s game, you basically saw Saturday’s game.  For the second game in a row, you need to change the sheets, because we [pooped] the bed.  I don’t know what bar the Hokies have been at since their win over #1 duke last Saturday, but can someone please go and wake them the [eff] up???  For the first time all season, the Hokies lost two ACC games in a row.  And they couldn’t have picked a worse time…

Tuesday: Tech fell behind 27-10 in the first half to bc.

Today: VT trailed 24-9 (after a 16-3 clemson run).  FYI: VT was trying out their new Nike Cement Shoes – early on they lost every 50/50 ball.  clemson had 4 dunks in the first 10 minutes.  VT had 14 turnovers in the first half.  clemson grabbed several key offensive rebounds that turned into dunks (6 dunks to 0 on the game).

Tuesday: The Hokies made a run and trailed by just 8, 35-27 at the break.

Today: Tech went on a 12-1 run to close the game to 25-21, and trailed by just 34-30 at halftime.

Tuesday: Tech hit some 3s and were behind by just 45-39 early in the second half.

Today: VT hit a big 3 and trailed by just 39-35 with 16:29 to go in the game.

Tuesday: bc went on a 14-2 run to blow the game out at 59-41.

Today: clemson went on a 10-0 run to go up 49-35.  In fact, VT scored just 2 points from the 16:29 mark to the 7:58 mark.  That’s 8:30 minutes with 2 points.

Today: VT went on a 7-0 run to cut it to 51-44, but then the tigers used an 8-0 run to go up 59-44 and put the game away.

Honestly, does Virginia Tech deserve an NCAA bid right now?  Hmm.  Not sure we do.  We certainly don’t in the last week.

Here were the keys to the game:

  • Win the 3-pt % battle (the team that had shot from a higher % from deep had won 13 straight games):  clemson hit 4/7 to start that game and won this battle 41% to 30%.  Streak continues to 14 straight games.
  • TB + VD = win: the Hokies actually did great here.  Bell had a double-double with 10 points and a stunning 11 rebounds.  Davila had just 4, but those 14 combined points normally were an automatic win.  And Manny Atkins added 9 off the bench.  So this was a stunner.
  • Tech had 14 steals in the game, including 11 from their starters (but those turned into almost no fastbreak points because VT has no idea what to do on an odd-man rush).

So what went wrong?

  • Erick Green had 0 points at the half.
  • Instead of POW Jeff Allen we got MIA Jefff Allen – he had just 9 points and 5 rebounds for the game, and seemingly was invisible.
  • VT had 15 offensive rebounds – that sounds like a good thing but it isn’t.  The Hokies shot just 31% for the game.  clemson, meanwhile, shot 49% for the game because they made extra passes and got easy looks.  That’s that difference in this game.
  • The Hokies made just 18 shots in the game (18/59).  They only made 7 shots in the final 16:29 of the game.
  • Tech had no answer to clemson’s defensive intensity.  The Hokies spent more time 40-feet from the basket than they did in the paint.  Let me walk you through a possession…. Point guard dribbles it up.  Picks up his dribble near the jump circle.  Passes to other guard near jump circle.  Pass to Davila around the 3-point line.  Start offensive possession.
  • Here was a clemson possession: Push ball.  Feed inside.  VT double or triple team guy.  Feed to wide open dunk.  See ya, have a good night.

Flat out, the last two games, the Hokies played two teams that were hungrier than they were.  Tech has been fat, drunk, and happy since the duke win.  Considering they have a veteran, albeit small roster, that’s pathetic.

Tech had earned a first round bye in the ACC Tournament 4 of 6 years coming into this year.  All they had to do was win once this week for a 5th bye, and they couldn’t.  That’s pathetic.  These seniors want a trip to the Big Dance so much, yet they did nothing this week to earn it.

As much crap as we give Frank Beamer for never winning the big game, at least he wins ALL the games we should, and most of the 50/50 games.  Well, this Hokie basketball club could not this week.  And for the third time in five years clemson stole something that belonged to the Hokies on the final day of the regular season.  Eff you, clemson.

See you Thursday in Greensboro.

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  • http://stores.ebay.com/hip-hop-heads-vinyl-crates HipHop_Hokie

    I don’t even feel like commenting. This class of 2011 is what it is. It always has been. Bring on the boys of 2015.

  • Chris

    It is what it is, I guess. Allen was beyond awful today, Delaney had a typical Delaney game (puts up some points and shoots a bad percentage), Green was awful, the zone defenses were awful, they got out-hustled, they still don’t know how to run a fast-break, they had no half-court offense, and Eddie must be in Greenberg’s doghouse yet again. Did I miss anything? The only reason the BC performance was more pathetic was because it was at home on Senior Night.

    IMO, we’ll have to win two in the ACC Tourney to even have a prayer at dancing. Lose to likely GT in the 1st round and it’s not even debatable. Beat GT then lose to likely FSU and although some fans will say we’re in, I’d say it’s highly unlikely. VT would have to catch A LOT of breaks from fellow bubble teams to get in in that scenario. If they win two then lose, I’d say in all honesty it’s a 50/50 shot they get in.

    It’s a shame. They looked like a lock after the Duke game, and probably would have been if they had just won one this week. Instead, they lay a complete egg in both games. We can make all the excuses in the world for this team (injuries) but it won’t do any good. Simply put, like every other year, this team just hasn’t done enough. I’m not going to feel bad for anyone if/when they don’t have their name called next Sunday.

    I have a serious question though… will this team EVER get over the hump? Is Greenberg even capable of getting them over the hump? I’m not dogging Greenberg, because I know how bad this program was before he got here, but when you play in the NIT 4 out of 5 years (or whatever it is/about to be), you have to start asking questions. The Duke game had a chance to be a program-defining victory. Instead, it was followed by two disgraceful performances. ALL of the luster of that win has complete left me.

    Anyway, my rant over. Have a good day everyone.

  • Hokieg

    These seniors have been great but frankly I’m about to flush and start fresh.

  • chrishokie

    Well, we kept NCAA hopes alive for BC and Clemson. Real charitable of us. It is amazing that a starting lineup with 3 seniors and a junior can play this inconsistently. No Eddie again. What was it this time? 14 steals, 15 offensive rebounds, 78% from the free throw line and a loss. Big donut became the big turnover with 8. We let defenses collapse on our scorers and rarely make thenm pay. Unfortunately, we didn’t get to enjoy our Duke win for very long.

  • RK in Roanoke

    Niemo – I did not want to be the one to start the how of this is on Seth’s shoulders.
    I hear and understand that we lost to major contributors in JT and Dorenzo this season, but that is no excuse for coming out with zero energy when you need it most. Players play but coaches put players in position to make plays.
    Your summary of a tech possession is spot on. What exactly is the point of giving Davilla the ball at the top of the circle. Most of the time he catches with his back to the lane. Very frustrated alumnus who thinks we should make a fourth straight trip to NItville unless we make the ACC tourney finals. This is not one of the top quarter of teams in div 1.

  • LuvzAznChix

    Wow! Another end of the season thud! Whelp, b2B’burg! Hello NIT! Same script & (unfortunately) same cast. Anyways, what seed are we in G’boro?

  • DS

    RK – I think giving the ball to Davila at the top of the key isn’t a horrible strategy as it seems like it opens up a give and go opportunity for him occasionally… I think it would work a lot better if he didn’t have oven mitts for hands but nonetheless it keeps the offense moving.

    What I don’t understand is how Garland ever sees the court. It seems to me like every time he comes in he does something(s) crazy/ill advised for the 1 minute of play time he gets. I think I would much prefer to just run Delaney at the point and put Eddie in there for awhile if Green needs a rest.

  • Les

    Green kept giving up the ball to someone else above the circle. He was constantly shadowed by a defender as he brought the ball up the court. He had difficulty setting up the offense or getting past his defender with his dribble. After about 10 to 15 seconds of this, the offense would start with Green giving it up to someone else to look to shoot or look inside.

  • Danram

    Personally, I think this team is simply burned out, both physically and mentally. The best thing Seth can do right now is give them two or three days off to just get totally away from basketball for a while.

  • Danram

    Also, I couldn’t agree with you more regarding the absurdity of some of our offensive sets in the firat half, Niemo. On more than one occasion when we were running our halfcourt offense in the first half, I noticed ALL FIVE VT PLAYERS standing between the foui line and the midcourt line! That kinda makes it tough to run an offense.

    Finally, at about the 6:00 mark of the first half, our guards started taking the ball aggressively to the basket and either finishing, getting fouled, or kicking the ball back out for an open perimeter jumper. That’s when VT made their run to get back into the game. But at the start of the 2nd half, alas, it was more of the same.

    I really hope Marquis Rankin, Robert Brown and Dorian Finney-Smith prove to be more aggressive when it comes to penetrating into the lane.

  • Les

    I think it’s as much mental as anything since they don’t expect to get relief if they’re tired. It looked really sad on one occasion to see three starters frozen to the floor under the basket with what appeared to be “white man’s disease” as Manny Atkins chased one of the rebounds. Allen and Delaney made some real desperation plays to dive for balls.

    Other teams are doing a lot of arm checking and bumping of the guards well above the circle to try to wear them down also.

  • H-SCokie

    I deleted the Duke/VT game from the DVR today. I thought about deleting it after the BC game, but gave them one more shot to not totally shart on the good feelings I had lingering from last Saturday.

    Well in one week, we’ve amazingly taken such a special, prideful moment and arguably the biggest win in bball history, and promptly flushed it down the toilet. It is now the darkest day in Hokie bball. I’m moving the Dockery half courter to #2.

  • chuck

    1) We have overachieved with a short-handed squad….and the ACC is down as it’s ever been….we are more in line with my original expectations after hearing Thompson, Raines, and Chaney were down (8-8)…let alone the loss of Hudson and practice player Ben Boggs.
    This team would have been a 3 or 4 seed healthy…

    2) We have beaten better #1s than that Duke team two weeks ago. The value of it was way overblown. UNC proved that tonight. No way UNC is as good as a record 14-2 in the ACC should indicate. This is a weird year that sees Wake go 1-15 as well. The bottom is truly horrible.

    3) It is telling that most people would rather end the season today than watch them play any more games. We are all intelligent enough to recognize the formula. Hopefully, we have more balance through all 5 positions with new kids coming in. It will be sad if Delaney is playing his final game in a VT uni in Cassell in front of 6,000 half glass full fans.

    4) I equate this to the Season of Death (05-06)…when literally every player had a major death in the family or serious injury. We never even had a chance to compete, same as that year. You could blame Seth, but you know he had a 5 or 6 loss team, not a 10 loss team, if he’d had even just Hudson and one of the big guys to sub in.

  • Casey

    It’s hard not to get emotionally caught up in the moment and I agree with just about all of the above reactions, but again, it is what it is and time to move on. Something not specifically mentioned is that we are truly lacking in on-court leadership. Yes Delaney and Allen will go down as some of the best to lace em up for us, but watching Allen and his silly elbow foul yesterday and Delaney’s act of complaining with every bit of contact (this was getting old sometime last year) and you realize that our seniors are not the leaders on-court they need to be.

    I like Seth and he takes big heat for only getting us so far. But since he’s reluctant to cheat or take on juco transfers then this is what we get with no depth, and it’s fine with me. Remember, we just recently moved into the blue-blood rich ACC and I think we CAN do better with what we have. The paint on the practice facility is barely dry so we will see that pay off as it relates to recruiting. And hopefully Seth gets a squad with health/depth so we don’t burn out come February.

    We sold out big time to beat Duke and the hangover still lingers. Delaney, Allen and Bell have one more chance for redemption this week. Let’s hope they carry us to a nice run in the ACC. I like our seeding, especially if BC wins today. We can take GT and FSU without Singleton, so who knows. Just don’t give up on us yet.

  • http://stores.ebay.com/hip-hop-heads-vinyl-crates HipHop_Hokie

    I have been telling people for years on this site about C.J. Barksdale. All I am saying is to be patient. Next year, you ALL are going to see something that you really, really like. Patience.

    It’s funny to me that Danram mentioned Marquis, Robert, and Dorian but not C.J…. apparently he is still flying under some of your radars. A new era in Hokie hoops is coming… stay the course…

  • Les

    This team has also been constantly on the bubble every year. As a result, the coach shortens the bench to try to eke out wins. By the end of the season, the core players are exhausted and plaugued with nagging injuries.

    There was no depth in the Coleman-Gordon-Dowdell teams either. The teams would consistently fold in the second half because the tired guards could no longer prevent dribble penetration.

  • Danram

    Hip-Hop Hokie, I mentioned Dorian, Marques and Robert simply because they are perimeter players who can drive to the hoop to draw in the defense. No slight meant to C.J. Barksdale at all. Like you, I’ve heard he’s very good. I just hope he can report to Blacksburg in a few months weighing in at 220 pounds or more.

  • chrishokie

    Les – you make a good point. Singler and Smith have played almost every minute of Duke’s games as well and they look like they may be fading a bit as well. I looked back and Dowdell and Gordon played 34 and 32 minutes a game respectively so it wasn’t as bad as this year but we definitely depended on them. I am sure that Seth sees an 80% Delaney or Allen as a better option than their backups at 100%.

  • Smitty (Hokie in FL)

    I agree with Casey on the leadership issue. Hopefully we’ll have some better floor leadership next year. With some hungry talented freshman coming in we’ll need it for sure.

    Also Hip-Hop is right, its taken us to this year for the recruiting wheels to hit the next gear and they have. Patience is needed.

    I think Greenberg realizes much of this and is taking action, but he can’t throw the present team leadership under the bus in the process. He’s probably trying to teach them but realizing the issue at the same time. The ability to balance all that for a long time (in this case at least a year) is a true sign of leadership. Greenberg has it. He’s dealing with the cards he has.

    It might be interesting to see JT and Dorenzo as floor leaders without JA and Delane around. Hmmmm, we’ll see.

  • chuck

    At what point does the hourglass flip and it become about performance as opposed to building the program?

    I have to think next year. There won’t have been a more balanced (by the class) rotation since Seth started. 2 RS Srs, SR C, starting JR PG who should be ready to make a run at all ACC, and the highly touted FR class…

    I don’t think it’s a matter of preaching patience, we all know something different is coming. But it’s frustrating to envision Seth in charge of GAME-COACHING all that abundant talent. I have no faith in his game-calling.

  • chrishokie

    Chuck – initially I would have said that Seth gets a bye next year with the new group because it’s hard to count on freshman for big contributions their first year unless they are 5-star recruits. And we are losing 2 all-ACC players and our best defender. But, UVA has 7 freshman on their roster, they lost their best player, Mike Scott, mid-season and had a tumultuous off-season (losing the best player from last year) and still went 7-9 this year. So, my expectations are for no worse than 8-8 in ACC play next year, realizing we may blow a few games early. So, the hour glass is turned on it’s side for me next year and then flips completely the year after that.

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